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Post by Richard Coxon on Nov 22, 2019 17:11:15 GMT
Two questions,
First question, I’m having a weird issue where my shifter will just pop out of gear and sit in neutral, can happen in any gear, but here’s the weird part that makes me think maybe it’s not the shifter at fault, if I lift my foot off the accelerator completely the car will pop back into gear. This happens on several mods in AMS. It doesn’t happen on upshifts, it happens either when on a straight and you’re already in gear, or when downshifting, but again I’m already in gear and it just pops out and into Neutral.
all my Logitech drivers are up to date, I’ve tried cleaning the opening where the shifter and mechanism is, running AMS as admin, but nothing. Any ideas?
Second question, if the shifter is dead and I need a new wheel, recommendations? Budget is tight so I’ve been looking at a G29. Anybody here use them, what’s your thoughts? How do you get on with it, any issues, I’ve heard there is issues with brake travel due to this rubber block or whatever it is?
So give honest reviews and offer your thoughts on other wheels I should consider, ideally I’d like one with 3 pedals and a shifter. But I’m open to suggestions.
Thanks!
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Nov 22, 2019 17:35:57 GMT
If the rest of your wheel/pedals combo is working well, best and cheapest option by far is getting a quality standalone shifter. Thrustmaster TH8 is good, but I think they also sell the G29 one standalone so you can check if it is compatible. Regarding the popping out of gear, if it does that physically then yes your shifter is at fault, no doubt. Maybe there is additional trouble for its inner workings regarding sensors (Which tell the game what you did with the lever) and thus the annoying side effects you feel, but the shifter itself seems broken. EDIT: The G29 shifter addon sells for 34 euros at amazon, check compatibility with your wheel. www.amazon.co.uk/Logitech-Driving-Force-Shifter-G920/dp/B00ZWOUH4S/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=logitech+g29+shifter&qid=1574444284&sr=8-1
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Post by Richard Coxon on Nov 22, 2019 17:43:29 GMT
It stays in gear, as in pushed in the gear direction, If it just did that and was popping out and I had to fully engage the gear again (Pull the shifter out and then push it back into gear) then I’d admit it is the pedometer or whatever micro switch it uses. But the fact that when I lift 100% off the throttle it engages the gear again without me touching the shifter is what puzzles me.
I didn’t want to just get a shifter in case it wasn’t that at fault (Even though it seems). The other downside of a G29 shifter and the TH8 shifter is I’m losing a ton of buttons, which include my ARB adjustments, mic muting, ignition etc. That’s the one drawback of the G29, they’ve crammed everything on the wheel itself. My pedals are a bit hit and miss at times too, I’m using my G25 ones again as the original G27 pedals died a while ago. Another reason I’m looking at full sets.
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Post by Pascal Mikula on Nov 22, 2019 17:56:03 GMT
I had the exact same issues as you, Richard. The problem with the shifter popping out of gear is that the way the G27 shifter works is with potentiometers. And with the usual wear and tear, those potentiometers get worn out and sometimes don't work properly anymore. So yes, it's the shifter's mechanics that are at fault. So you can either replace the potentiometers (which is..well kind of a hassle if you ask me) or replace the shifter.
However, I also did the exact same thing you're thinking about recently. I got me a G29 and a Thrustmaster TH8A shifter.
Talking about the G29's buttons compared to the G27, the G29 actually has two more buttons, plus the rotating thing. So you don't actually lose any buttons, they're just..all on the wheel. However, using an adapter you can just find anywhere, you can connect your G27 shifter AS A SEPARATE USB DEVICE and STILL have the TH8A act as your primary shifter. Also, I think the G29 with its non-linear brake pedal is an upgrade over the G27 (at least from my experience) because I think it's more like a load-cell brake without actually being a load-cell, if that makes sense. Definitely feels more realistic, for me at least.
Talking about the TH8A, I'd honestly marry the thing if I could. It's such an upgrade over the G27 shifter, plus you can calibrate and fine-tune it to your liking. It's amazing, AND it's a 7+1 instead of a 6+1. AND you can switch it to sequential mode in half a minute using the shift plates.
In total, one other downside of the G29 is its driver software. Forget the Profiler 5.10, you'll need the new LGS 9.02 or, if you feel edgy, get G-Hub. The G29 won't be recognized by the old Profiler. I currently have the problem that the G-Motor sims like rF2 and AMS can't apply the auto-rotation to the driver software no matter what I try, so there's something you'll need to pay attention to. Other than that, after some fiddling, the new LGS is, IMHO, on par with the old Profiler.
Plus, you can find both the G29 and TH8A used on ebay or Amazon for real cheap, especially around Black Friday. I bought mine just a week ago and came just short of 300 Euros in total. If you were to look in a store here, there'd be a G29 new for 300+.
PS: If you want more buttons and stuff, I'm sure there's cheap button boxes on ebay as well. I've seen a DIY video some time ago, too....
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Nov 22, 2019 18:07:29 GMT
Well then before doing anything else, have you tried the wheel without the shifter, using the paddles? That's the first thing to try, if the rest of your equipment works well you should then get the 34 Euros shifter and a button box, which will give you even more functions and look cool as hell. Derek Speare sells this beautiful one for 99 USD with free shipping: derekspearedesigns.com/p1p2.html
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Post by Richard Coxon on Nov 22, 2019 18:07:35 GMT
I can get a new G29 with shifter for £200 at the moment. Which I don’t think is too bad. The TH8A shifter is about £100-£150 on its own The Mrs may kill me lol I’ve never used the Logitech profiler while we’ve run AMS I’ve always just used Steam to launch the game, so I’m not sure if I’ll have issues. The paddles work okay from what I can tell, but I really struggle to use them. I’ll look into button boxes, my issue is mounting them as my wheel is currently on a desk, and so is the TV that we watch at night (All in the bedroom) Thanks for the info though, all useful. Others feel free to chip in.
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Nov 22, 2019 18:10:14 GMT
The G29 is BS in my opinion, if your wheel works well, use those 200 to get better quality pedals, shifter and a button box. See my previous post.
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Post by Richard Coxon on Nov 22, 2019 18:17:12 GMT
I saw and edited appropriately. I’m tempted to just get a shifter and make do for now. I’m pretty confident it’s that playing up and nothing else. I just still get puzzled by the throttle connection.
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Post by Richard Wilks on Nov 22, 2019 20:21:59 GMT
If its just the shifter, it might be just the wires there inside. They move around, and with time they break. Thats an easy repair, if one is enclined to do it.
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Post by Richard Coxon on Nov 22, 2019 20:42:34 GMT
I have no idea about how to fix anything like that lol. Unless you fancy popping round to do it
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Post by David Jaques on Nov 23, 2019 4:47:54 GMT
..... I just still get puzzled by the throttle connection. my hypothesis on this would be if it is the sensors/connections in the shifter acting up, it intermittently detects that the shifter moved out of gear and back in even though you haven't touched it. with the transmission physics, any gear shift we need to fully lift to get it to engage, else it will be like neutral. so the shifter is falsely reporting to ams that it moved out and back into gear, ams gives you the neutral for a bad shift until you lift fully then ams allows the "same" gear to be re-engaged.
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Post by Richard Coxon on Nov 23, 2019 8:43:21 GMT
I thought that too, but the problem started in the SuperTourers where as we know you can flat shift in those cars, but a had to do the same thing, lift the throttle. 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2019 20:06:25 GMT
I bought the G920 not long ago, was very surprised it's (to me anyway) worse than the G27, the brake mod that's included now I didn't like at all, plus no shifter, the wheel felt even more notchier than the 27, send it back and bought a TS-PC Racer & T3PA Pedals, if I don't like that, going back to the 27, bottom line.. the 27 is a good wheel & pedal set.
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Post by Cezariusz Czlapinski on Dec 9, 2019 7:14:31 GMT
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Post by Kayo "Sideways" Michiels on Mar 23, 2020 21:43:45 GMT
Talking about the TH8A, I'd honestly marry the thing if I could. It's such an upgrade over the G27 shifter, plus you can calibrate and fine-tune it to your liking. It's amazing, AND it's a 7+1 instead of a 6+1. AND you can switch it to sequential mode in half a minute using the shift plates. You know, the TH8A also has a hidden function: it can also work as an analog handbrake:
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Post by Pascal Mikula on Mar 23, 2020 22:16:18 GMT
Talking about the TH8A, I'd honestly marry the thing if I could. It's such an upgrade over the G27 shifter, plus you can calibrate and fine-tune it to your liking. It's amazing, AND it's a 7+1 instead of a 6+1. AND you can switch it to sequential mode in half a minute using the shift plates. You know, the TH8A also has a hidden function: it can also work as an analog handbrake: I first thought it would require re-calibration or something in the Th8A.exe but GOD DAMN I didn't know that!! That's amazing! Now I just need a second TH8A ... Haha!
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