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Post by Alan Santo on May 14, 2023 18:09:10 GMT
oh man...pretty disappointed there. Just went too much on the apron at turn 3 and that was that. Besides killing the engine or hitting other cars, that was the most obvious thing not to do. Car felt amazing and could've been in the top 3 for sure at the end. Yeah, about that.. Very disappointed to be the victim of a car to car collision only 20 laps into the race. Thank you to all admins, and broadcast team for hard work putting such an event to reality. I apologise to Maximilian Putrafki for going too wide into your racing line after touching the white line. I tried to keep it on lower line all the way and totally understand your frustration. I'd done the same move a few times in the previous laps and was able to keep it under control, but I take responsibility of it and maybe I should have waited and tried in the middle of straight instead. If it's to be penalised in F1 86 in case admins review and judge it as such, then I'll take it. Other than that it was difficult from beginning. I had a poor start. Managed to recover a lot of positions. Until I screwed Maximilian's race and after that car was becoming more edgy as laps went by. I touched the wall, got damage, burst a tire one lap after pits, lost lots of time in repairs. After that car wasn't as fast as before, and at some moment I lost it when touched the inside lines again.
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Post by Maximilian Putrafki on May 14, 2023 18:30:47 GMT
Yeah, about that.. Very disappointed to be the victim of a car to car collision only 20 laps into the race. Thank you to all admins, and broadcast team for hard work putting such an event to reality. I apologise to Maximilian Putrafki for going too wide into your racing line after touching the white line. I tried to keep it on lower line all the way and totally understand your frustration. I'd done the same move a few times in the previous laps and was able to keep it under control, but I take responsibility of it and maybe I should have waited and tried in the middle of straight instead. If it's to be penalised in F1 86 in case admins review and judge it as such, then I'll take it. Other than that it was difficult from beginning. I had a poor start. Managed to recover a lot of positions. Until I screwed Maximilian's race and after that car was becoming more edgy as laps went by. I touched the wall, got damage, burst a tire one lap after pits, lost lots of time in repairs. After that car wasn't as fast as before, and at some moment I lost it when touched the inside lines again. There is very little I have to say in this regard that could be put into nice words, so I'd rather stay quiet in regards to the incident itself. Thank you for apologizing for the incident.
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Post by Juha Bos on May 14, 2023 18:41:57 GMT
My apologies to August. I thought you went for the low line and didn't expect the late correction.
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Post by David Sabre on May 14, 2023 18:47:55 GMT
It was a good run while it lasted up from 24th to 4th including a big spin on the back straight when I didn't know where the other car was going to go. Entered the pits on lap 120 and while slowing down and changing down to stop the engine blew . Did I over-rev it, I don't know but its never happened before. Oh well next year.
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Post by August Watring on May 14, 2023 18:48:16 GMT
My apologies to August. I thought you went for the low line and didn't expect the late correction. And my apologies to you. I had a wiggle and it kicked me out wide. It's just a bummer situation all around.
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Post by David Sabre on May 14, 2023 19:48:55 GMT
Congratulations Jacob. Grant Anders Thanks for the broadcast I watched it after I was out of the race.
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Post by Matthew Sibanyoni on May 14, 2023 19:52:23 GMT
Great race and I'm sure this showing in particular will bring many more to ISO.
My F1 teammate out of all to win it!!! Superb. I'm glad.
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Post by Jules Bouchard on May 14, 2023 19:52:26 GMT
wow amazing job Jacob!
Awesome to see a Buick finish 500 miles...let alone win!
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Post by Jason White on May 14, 2023 19:54:38 GMT
Congratulations Jacob. You have achieved the impossible! A Buick Indy 500 Victory!
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Post by Michael Drechsler on May 14, 2023 20:07:31 GMT
What a useless waste of time, as always Did everything I could to spare the engine, never hit the limiter, never exceded 103 degs, most time hovering around 100 max, and that stoopid 4$$ SOAB goes quite on lap 174. Not sure why I always torture myself over and over again for having the engine blow up prematurely.
Other than that, My brain wasn't wired quite right tonight, loaded the right setup, a really nice one, not overly fast, but well survivable, (besides the engine, as always), but forgot to top up the fuel in time. Guess how surprised I was how quickly I could make up positions early on, and how much more surprised I was when on lap 5 the fuel light went on. Congrats to me for handing the competition a lap early on...
...so I did my bet to catch up again and held on for the end of the field for 1 3/4 stints - really nice handling car -moving as far ahead as 18th and still a few cars within reach, but on lap 62, I caught a bit the short end with traffic, two cars ahead of me leaving the pits, and having somewhere around 110 litres less fuel and the tires warm, I went ahead and tried to pass them, as long as they weren't really up to speed. I passed the first at the beginning of the back stretch, and aimed to pass the second inside T3. Unfortunately, Richard crossed my line and I had to go outside, but the line was ruined and I brushed the wall. I immediately went into the pits, but the repairs cost me no less than 5 laps. The car was a bit looser now, but still managable with the roll bars. Cezariusz was to quick fo rme, so soon, he handed me last place, but there were still a few cars I might be able to catch until the end of the race. Greg's car broke down, but I managed to take off a lap from Simon per stint and finally passed him. But my main aim was finishing the race at all, so I reduced boost a click. Until then, 100 mostly incident free laps (some guys should make sure they really cleared the car they are passing, I had a few very close calls), but then, lap 160-ish, I was a bit in slumber land and realised in the very, very very last moment, I was due to a pitstop and was actually beyond the point of no return, and forced the car into the pits. Not good, graced the left side, and just made it into my pit stall, was still able to switch off repairs, but when I went out again and returned to the car status report, I realised I not only bent my left hand suspension, but lost also my wing. Awesome... ...NOT! A slow lap in first gear, and that whole stuff cost me another 3 laps, but the car was still okay, just even a bit more loose than before. Well, a most deserved last place, but three cars ahead of me also had retired in the meantime, so just a matter of grabbing these positions.
Well, almost...
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Post by Jacob William on May 14, 2023 20:11:21 GMT
Congrats Jacob on the win. Was fun to duke it out with you all. Hope to do another one at some point!
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Post by Jacob Fredriksson on May 14, 2023 20:14:11 GMT
Thank you all for your congratulations. Full race report coming later this week. Now I'm going to savour this, have a few beers.
I can't believe I won the Indy 500!
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Post by Grant Riddall on May 14, 2023 20:45:23 GMT
God al-frikking-mighty! For the last 3 weeks I’ve constantly told myself “just finish, a 500 mile race”. Ovals are not my thing and my mindset is stuck in f1 racing. Setup wise? No clue and I employed the help from Richard.C who really helped in more ways than setup help. Start of the race I found myself 2nd and then first and quickly set myself in a rhythm. Throughout the race I kept saying don’t battle for the win, so I clicked my boost down 3 and kept the temps below 104. Twice this race however.. I hit neutral whilst over 200mph thinking I was requesting a pit stop. How this engine has lasted I do not know. To finish 2nd for me at Indy is simply a fantastic feeling! Richard.C huge thank you mate, honestly helped so much! Jacob.. enjoy the beers you deserve it. What a dominating performance and congratulations on the victory Thank you all!!
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Post by Richard Wilks on May 14, 2023 21:18:23 GMT
Well that was a good race for me, altough i think it was very hard to get more speed out of the 86C, the car behaved great, and i was slowly climbing up, getting geared for a great fight with Anders, when the thing broke.. Oh well Thats the way it goes sometimes, but i have to say lapped cars behaved good, no problems in the race.
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Post by Bruno Chacon on May 14, 2023 21:57:21 GMT
Calm race and always alone, no dispute for position, everything saved for after lap 150. Temperature always below 104 degrees and on lap 178, with 101 degrees of temperature, the engine exploded. Congratulations to Jacob for his brilliant and unusual victory with Buick. Excellent transmission of the race, congratulations narrators!
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Post by Richard Wilks on May 14, 2023 22:41:40 GMT
For those who don't know, here it is the race from Jacob William's perspective:
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Post by Petr Hlavac on May 15, 2023 8:24:37 GMT
Automobilista played some nasty games with me. Again... I got back home at 4pm, did a brief test if everything works, did a few laps with my race setup from 2022 and all was fine. Then I joined the server at 6:30pm and boom. All controls assignments were gone. Pedals, buttons, only steering axis worked. Remapped it, went to track and suddenly the car barely reached 300kph and I was 4s off the pace. Then I realised that neither the quali, nor race setup was available. Simply disappeared. Quite a desperate situation. Then I remembered that some AMS issues can be fixed by running the game as Admin. Did it, no success. Still those setups were gone even though they were in the correct folder and visiblity was set for all cars. Then I rebooted the PC, started the game as Admin again and there it was. Selected the Race set and I was back on track. I really have no idea why AMS plays such BS with me.
I knew the setup was fine and brought me to P5 last year. Start was a bit hectic, but too crazy. Then it took me a few laps to get into rythm, but then it was fine and I was going up the order. It was mostly a lonely race, but just as I climbed up to P8 my engine expired with 80 laps to go. I have no idea why. I was driving the same chassis/engine combination, using the same boost levels, the same temperatures, the same driving style which brought me to the finish line in 2022 and it just blew up without a warning yesterday.
Honestly, there's one thing I don't understand - total lack of yellows. It's obvious that it would be bothering to have 15 yellows because of every single car that stopped on the track, but running completely caution-free is very unfortunate. First, it removes any kind of strategy (or luck), excitement on restarts and stresses engines too much, obviously. And yellows have always played significant role in real life. But it's also dangerous. There were several crashes which left car parts all over the track, even in the racing line. You guys put incledible amount of effort in this event, qualifying is second to none, broadcast is brilliant, but removing yellows on race day dumbs the whole event down, in my opinion. If automatic yellows don't work properly, would it by possible to allocate one person to "Race Control" who could trigger a caution manually? Maybe he could watch the track from overhead view and throw a yellow when there's a car spinning into the fence? Just maybe...
Anyway, thanks for this event, it's always the highlight of the season and I'm looking forward to 2024.
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on May 15, 2023 9:27:41 GMT
Fair point Petr, and I will elaborate a bit on that so that people understand our reasons and we do not have to reopen this constantly.
The sensitivity of the yellows in AMS/rF has always been problematic and you end up with one of two flavors, yellows galore for little to no reason, or frequent total lack of. We normally favor the second option because the strategic element is still there, even if the chances are much slimmer (But they still exist). However, a good part of why we got no yellows yesterday is because people were quick to hit ESC or just ended in the infield, where yellows are not triggered by the game.
As for the option of marshalling ourselves the race and throw yellows manually, that was indeed also discussed time ago among us, but we agreeded that it becomes a can of worms due to the cautions necessarily favoring some drivers and not others, who could feel that the admin in charge is playing favorites -or just erred against them. No matter how imperfect the game marshaling is, at least it works the same for everyone with no subjective and personal implication of any admin.
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Post by Simon Wattman on May 15, 2023 12:55:35 GMT
Thanks for hosting this event. Was good fun
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Post by Anders Nilsson on May 15, 2023 13:12:00 GMT
My o my didnt see that one coming . Thought my chances to a top 5 were gone after second pitstop 31 sec .Must have picked up some damage whitout knowing. Smart pitcrew my ass . Took roughly 90 laps to gain back 15 sec on Wilks My wrists are still hurting . Manage to pass him and was waiting for his reponse. Looking forward to some batteling but sadly hes engine gave up the ghost . And thru attrition i got 3rd at Indy im glad i decided to do the race it was awesome . Big grats to Jakob F for bringing the stock block all the way and to Grant for + all that participated and fineshed Boys in the booth
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Post by Petr Hlavac on May 15, 2023 17:51:46 GMT
Fair point Petr, and I will elaborate a bit on that so that people understand our reasons and we do not have to reopen this constantly. The sensitivity of the yellows in AMS/rF has always been problematic and you end up with one of two flavors, yellows galore for little to no reason, or frequent total lack of. We normally favor the second option because the strategic element is still there, even if the chances are much slimmer (But they still exist). However, a good part of why we got no yellows yesterday is because people were quick to hit ESC or just ended in the infield, where yellows are not triggered by the game. As for the option of marshalling ourselves the race and throw yellows manually, that was indeed also discussed time ago among us, but we agreeded that it becomes a can of worms due to the cautions necessarily favoring some drivers and not others, who could feel that the admin in charge is playing favorites -or just erred against them. No matter how imperfect the game marshaling is, at least it works the same for everyone with no subjective and personal implication of any admin. Thanks for your answer Alberto. Agree, you can never make everyone happy, there will always be complaints, whatever you do. I'm also aware that this topic is more or less a closed case for ISO admins. Still, I'd be curious what would be the result of a poll "No yellows/Cautions with possible side effects". Removing cautions eliminates a huge part of the appeal of Indy. Frankly, the race could be 50 laps long, as it's all set by then. The rest is (mostly) all about a lonely sprint to the finish and hope that your engine won't blow up. No chance for slower cars to make the right strategy choice, no danger for the fast ones to get it wrong, no chance to keep the field together and gain/lose on restarts, huge gaps between cars very soon into the race. I'm aware of several people who'd prefer the latter (including Jacob William who mentioned it on his stream). I'm not questioning ability and enhusiasm from the ISO team. Not a bit. And yes, the easy way out would be to shut up and don't take part in this race anymore. But that's not the point, really. I religiously love the race, both in real world and here at ISO and I just believe there has to be a better way for all of us to enjoy the crown jewel of the season. Even if there was "manual" race control and some questionable decisions, it would bring us closer to reality. There have always been controversial calls by stewards, right?
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Post by Jacob Fredriksson on May 16, 2023 10:39:18 GMT
So having letting this sinking in for a few days, I still can't really fathom how well this went. I told Jason before the Month of May began that I really wanted a Buick this year, without actually testing it beforehand. I just wanted an oddball, something unique, because having something that no one else has could very well mean that you can work out any kind of unexpected advantage.
As it turned out, the Buick suited my race philosophy perfectly. I always intended to race a low-downforce setup, and with the extra torque and power it meant I could race with a very tall 5th gear, which would not only improve fuel-mileage, it would keep temperatures down, not to mention what an advantage I would have in traffic. I could just squirt past anyone out of the corner, the only car I struggled to pass was Ray Riddall's Lola-Chevy early on in the race, but I suppose the Chevy's struggled more with fuel mileage and temperatures than me?
Despite the anxiousness in the commentary box, my fuel situation was under control the entire race. 1048 litres means you need to average 5,24 litres per lap, I easily could make 5,14 litres per lap which got me those 30 laps I needed to be safe on fuel the entire race. 6 pit stops with 154,4 litres per stop (I short filled the last stop) meant I used roughly 980 litres. Easy peacey.
I feared beforehand that my car was a bit of the qualifying special with it's extra boost, but seemingly not. I was quite wary of being stuck in traffic so I intended to make a quick start and pass as many as I could on the first two laps, using my engine as an advantage. That was exactly what happened. I had actually planned on lowering my wings even more, but the first stint went so well I did not want to change anything about the car, because why change a winning formula? Grant Riddall's pace was still an issue for me though, as he mysteriously slowed on the back stretch gifting me the lead, and he retook it during the pit stops. But a couple of laps after that, he got stuck in traffic and I could swoop by him coming out of turn 2. That was on lap 35 or something, and after that I could not believe just how well everything went.
That said, I had at that point shown my hand. I had run on full boost, as quickly as I could for the first stint. There was nothing left in the car. So I really did not want to see a yellow the entire race, in case Riddall, William or anyone else had something in store. I had seen their pace on short runs during practice, so until I had a lap on the field I was very nervous in case my luck would turn.
It never did, I am happy to say. Thanks again for all your congratulations, it's been a great event and I am already looking forward to our next 500!
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Post by Filippo Marazzi on Jun 25, 2023 17:29:24 GMT
Many days have passed since this beautiful event, but despite this I liked to write a few words about this race. Since 2017 I have always participated in this event except for one edition that I had to follow from the hospital due to knee surgery scheduled for the following day. The tests for the race went very well, but for the qualifying I had only one chance to set a time, as well as other friends on track I had a race the same evening, so I was obliged to make no mistake, otherwise I would have to give up the other race to have one more attempt. Luckily, although I was quite nervous, everything went very well and I set a time that allowed me to start in p18. The race then saw me a bit blocked at the start by Raul who started slowly, I lost a few positions but then I slowly started to find my rhythm and recover. I suffered enough from the lack of safety car which made it more physically and mentally tiring to stay focused ... I had a long-distance duel with Bruno and Oliveira. Not making any mistakes throughout the race, making good pitstops and respecting Richard's oil temperature warning everything went well. Finally my first top ten at Indy with a great P6 on the finish line. Many congratulations to my friend Jacob, to Bruno with whom I prepared the race, and finally to the organization which, like every year, has been impeccable. I'm glad that GPLaps has noticed this great event and given it a great prominence...I just hope that there are not too many challengers next year and it becomes too competitive for me to qualify
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