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Post by François Remmen on Apr 27, 2020 19:40:03 GMT
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Post by Richard Wilks on Apr 27, 2020 22:05:43 GMT
I would very much like to see proof that in 1991 Ferrari didnt have a flat-shift system. Nothing i ever read anywhere led me to believe that wasn't the case. If you could blip the engine on downshifts automatically, then cutting fuel on the upshifts is even more simple to implement.
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Post by Juha Bos on Apr 27, 2020 22:12:00 GMT
Imagine that the real Ferrari's 640-643s drivers had to lift the throttle on upshifts aswell but could stamp the brakes and shift down rapidly. ofcourse we will implement this in v2.0 Some clarification required here: The V2.0 François mentions is his updated version of this mod for rFactor. It does not concern an update for the AMS mod we use at ISO.
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Post by Pascal Mikula on Apr 27, 2020 23:37:05 GMT
Imagine that the real Ferrari's 640-643s drivers had to lift the throttle on upshifts aswell but could stamp the brakes and shift down rapidly. ofcourse we will implement this in v2.0 Some clarification required here: The V2.0 François mentions is his updated version of this mod for rFactor. It does not concern an update for the AMS mod we use at ISO. Not to mention the factual inaccuracy about the Ferrari's gearshift mechanism. Driver's neither have to lift on upshifts nor blip on downshifts as both tasks are handled by the, appropriately called, semi-automatic transmission.
EDIT: Literally what Richard said there.
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Post by Grant Riddall on Apr 28, 2020 8:41:33 GMT
From what I've heard, shifting seems to be just as much of an issue as the delicate tyres are. The length of the process aswell as properly getting it into the next gear when fully lifting. It's strange how I struggled less with that and only really happend when being too eager or maybe either having a slightly spiky pedal or still pressing the throttle pedal too much. If anyone is struggling with shifting, a quick fix could possibly be lowering or eliminating engine brake map. The more you have the harder it’ll be to quickly shift into gear. Admittedly it took me longer than I would have liked to realise this...
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Post by Bruno Chacon on Apr 28, 2020 13:05:41 GMT
Present
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Post by Gabriele Maruca on Apr 28, 2020 19:54:00 GMT
About the Ferrari 640-641 gearshift system: According to Forghieri ("Forghieri on Ferrari", pages 254-259) in 1989 the gearbox was a sequential one, electro-hydraulicly operated, that did not allow the driver to jump gears. Problem was that you MUST use the clutch when starting, otherwise the engine stalls. You can not use it while upshifting/downshifting while moving. In 1989 it was awfully unreliable, it jammed all the time and it needed to be revamped. In 1990 it was still 7 gears + Rear, but was improved for the reliability and now allowed the driver to jump the gears. Still, you HAD to use the clutch while starting but you could've forgot to use it while driving without much hassle. It had an awfully short play, so it was trycky to feather at the starts. Same gearbox was used in 1991. Same thing is reported on "TuttoFerrari" by Mondadori. Proof about the actuation is a video of an Italian Journalist (Marco Frenzelli, for TivùSette, a RAIUNO program) shot in 1996: at minute 1:32 you can hear how it's actually operated. I'll translate it for you. Mechanic: "First thing: be calm and relaxed. This is for "up" and this is for "down", in short "upshift" and "downshift". Got it? The first phase in order to start is to make contact [shows the button to press]: when you have contact..." Frenzelli:"Do I press "On"?" Mechanic: "You give the signal to the mechanics responsible for it start the engine up. Once it's started, you press the clutch totally..." Frenzelli: "To the bottom?" Mechanic: "To the bottom, the clutch must reach the bottom. Then you put the first gear. At that point, you keep the engine at around 4000 RPM (rather high) and then you leave the clutch. Be aware that the clutch has a short..." Frenzelli: "A really short play?" Mechanic: "Extremely short, it will jump immediately." www.youtube.com/watch?v=U45xU5xLMgA&t=260s
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Post by Jules Bouchard on Apr 28, 2020 22:23:18 GMT
Good to see some new Peeps giving this a try! How are you guys getting on with the mod? You probably noticed the Tires are very temp sensitive and quite challenging! You abuse 'em, you lose 'em  they cool quickly on straight but become worthless with too much sliding! Too Hot...POP Optimum operating temp is what you see right when you leave the garage. They take some getting used to, but if you stick with it, get a feel for them and their operating window, it's pretty rewarding. And a good way to Un-Learn some bad habits  (I still haven't) Have fun, Be smooth, and Drive with high speed patience It doesn't seem that realistic though. It's impossible to push.
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Post by Richard Wilks on Apr 28, 2020 23:07:03 GMT
The tires were made with all the information available to me. We have testimonies of many drivers saying that they had to drive like taxi drivers to not upset or destroy the tires, not to mention temperature charts, telemetry and laptimes. Simracing has been creating bad habits and teaching people the wrong side of motorsports history. These cars go faster the softer and gentler you are. You can't expect to just try to turn more or try to turn understeer into turning without making the tires suffer. Be gentle, learn the car, and it will reward you, believe me. 
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Post by David Jaques on Apr 29, 2020 0:35:12 GMT
It doesn't seem that realistic though. It's impossible to push. true, it can seem that way at times. the option is to put on a harder compound, then you can push as hard as you want, might not be as quick. what compound are you using?
the suggestions here are good, stick with it, give it time. it was a steep learning curve for all of us. i'll watch for you on the server, if i can catch you we can work on a setup for your car. honestly, the default is usually a really good starting point.
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Post by Brian Janik on Apr 29, 2020 1:08:55 GMT
You probably noticed the Tires are very temp sensitive and quite challenging! You abuse 'em, you lose 'em  they cool quickly on straight but become worthless with too much sliding! Too Hot...POP Optimum operating temp is what you see right when you leave the garage. They take some getting used to, but if you stick with it, get a feel for them and their operating window, it's pretty rewarding. And a good way to Un-Learn some bad habits  (I still haven't) Have fun, Be smooth, and Drive with high speed patience It doesn't seem that realistic though. It's impossible to push. Yes it seems that way at first. But once you become comfortable keeping the tires in their operating window it changes. You will learn to pace yourself or push within this knife-edge of a window. Best bet at first is to let the car do the work for you instead of forcing it. More often than not it's faster than we are They seemed exaggerated to me at first, but after thousands of sim miles? I tend to believe these tires do a great job capturing what was probably going on in 91. Who ever said F1 was Easy? It is possible to push, but very EASY to push too hard. Can almost guarantee anyone who can acquire the sensitivity to be consistent in this mod, will probably do just fine in all others. Another reason why I wont give up BTW - The performance gap between cars is huge in some cases. BUT If you can get that car you're driving to finish anywhere near the top 6, you are a true Hero, and I will bust out the Champagne for you!! Hope others back me up on all this babble lol
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Post by Jules Bouchard on Apr 29, 2020 3:32:03 GMT
It doesn't seem that realistic though. It's impossible to push. Yes it seems that way at first. But once you become comfortable keeping the tires in their operating window it changes. You will learn to pace yourself or push within this knife-edge of a window. Best bet at first is to let the car do the work for you instead of forcing it. More often than not it's faster than we are They seemed exaggerated to me at first, but after thousands of sim miles? I tend to believe these tires do a great job capturing what was probably going on in 91. Who ever said F1 was Easy? It is possible to push, but very EASY to push too hard. Can almost guarantee anyone who can acquire the sensitivity to be consistent in this mod, will probably do just fine in all others. Another reason why I wont give up BTW - The performance gap between cars is huge in some cases. BUT If you can get that car you're driving to finish anywhere near the top 6, you are a true Hero, and I will bust out the Champagne for you!! Hope others back me up on all this babble lol Thanks man! I was using the soft compound. I was able to do some laps with no problems but yeah, ended up pushing too hard and lost the tires. And also David Jaques thanks for your offer. I will look for you on the server. My aim is just to finish the race. The Fondmetal is quite slow on the straights.
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Post by Jonatan Acerclinth on Apr 29, 2020 8:13:40 GMT
Seeing as Alberto will be in the broadcast booth I suppose I may as well pick up on the offer by Larrousse who were happy with my efforts in Mexico and would like for me to help them out at home in France. So, may I have the remaining Larrousse for this round? @ Jules: It may be that the Fondmetal is a little bit harder on the tires so that you need to run Mediums to make it work. The cars wear the tires differently so it will depend on the car what works. For the Larrousse that I drove at Mexico, I could only use Softs, the Mediums were too cold and gave me no grip and no matter how hard I drove, they never heated enough, conversely(?), the Super Softs overheated immedietly no matter how kind I tried to be to the tires. And trust me, if you can get yourself help from either David or Anders, you'll get a very nice base to work with, they are wizards with these cars 
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Post by Jason Whited on Apr 29, 2020 19:57:45 GMT
May I drive the #25 Equipe Ligier Gitanes for this race?
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Post by Richard Coxon on Apr 29, 2020 20:05:09 GMT
You can, but if Nick Confirms (Which I doubt) you'll have to vacate it.
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Post by Jason Whited on Apr 30, 2020 0:17:38 GMT
You can, but if Nick Confirms (Which I doubt) you'll have to vacate it. Ah, I see. Apologies. Somehow I saw the #25 and #26 as "TBA" earlier today when looking for a ride for Sunday. I'll work with the car, but play it by ear as we get closer to race day. Got nothing going on Sunday, so in the end I'll drive whatever hunk of junk I need to to participate
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Post by Richard Coxon on Apr 30, 2020 7:56:46 GMT
The Lotus would be the best car to use round here to be honest mate.
Thiago vacated his.
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Post by Richard Coxon on Apr 30, 2020 10:56:13 GMT
Racing.
Still a few left to confirm.
Adam Hackman Mick Chapman Nick Sayers Oscar Hardwick.
You all have until 19:00 CET on Saturday to confirm your presence or absence.
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Post by Juha Bos on Apr 30, 2020 11:06:25 GMT
I'll be there.
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Post by Jason Whited on Apr 30, 2020 14:58:21 GMT
The Lotus would be the best car to use round here to be honest mate. Thiago vacated his. Lotus it is then. May I have the #11?
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Apr 30, 2020 15:47:35 GMT
Sure thing, it's yours mate. Glad to have you around :-)
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Post by Adam Hackman on May 1, 2020 14:28:24 GMT
Present
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Post by Richard Coxon on May 1, 2020 16:40:43 GMT
Still a few left to confirm. Mick Chapman Nick Sayers Oscar Hardwick. You all have until 19:00 CET on Saturday to confirm your presence or absence. BUMP
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Post by Jan Kowalski on May 1, 2020 17:11:11 GMT
*edit* not yet  they have 24 hours to confirm
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Post by Richard Coxon on May 1, 2020 17:13:23 GMT
I would like to take Mick´s car if its free for this round It's not free yet. We will find out tomorrow if it is. You're free to pick any other free car though.
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