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Post by David Sabre on Oct 10, 2021 21:00:17 GMT
A great pole Bruno. So unlucky Adam. Well done David J on the win. Thanks for the broadcast, I watched it after my crash.
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Oct 10, 2021 21:03:01 GMT
Damn it, really gutted right now, should have been like 20 laps left, was preparing for the last pitstop and doing maths about how much fuel I need for the rest of the race. And got on the apron of T1 while doing so...
...what else to say about the race? Well I set up my car in a way I'm able to get through, balance was really great and my cornering speed seemed pretty good, I had to take care not to run into a few car's rear, but searching for fuel economy and saving the engine, I probably geared way to long, I must have been the slowest car on the straight, but I already thought I was conservative at Pocono, and the engine popped, so I was keen to keep the revs low, but that was probably too much, I couldn't hold cars I was actually faster staying in the draft. But before long, the field thinned out and it was a pretty lonely game anyways.
Q wasn't the best of my efforts today, but I could outqualify a few cars, I admittingly botched keeping up the line for the start, but the cars in front of me made pretty quickly clear I wasn't a match for them today, so I kept two cars behind me and watch people loose their positions. Disaster struck in lap 24, when someone crashed in T2 and I while I was looking for a safe way past the wreckage, I lost control in a way I still don't really understand and lost my rear wing. Luckily, I could make it back to the pits and have my car repaired, but by then, I had lost 3 laps. Motivation was away, even though I knew the statistics of the real race (only six cars running at the end). So I trotted on, minding my own business and trying to finish the race with a decent result. As it was quite a wreck fest today, I could recover from 21st to 10th, just by keeping it rolling, ran lowest boost to safe the engine, as with about a dozen of laps in front of Jules and 3 laps down on the next car in front of me (must have been Greg), there wasn't anything to race, anyways. I took a conservative tire strategy and really eased it out of the pits in order not to overrev the engine, but being out of sequence and having to do the maths in order not to overfill the tank cost me the race in the end.
500-milers and me are just not a love story...
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Post by Brian Janik on Oct 10, 2021 21:10:36 GMT
Man Brian! Sry. That check up infront caught me totaly by suprise. Was'nt even pushing. Then the car decided to select 1st for no reason and blow the engine. Perfect. If your talking about lap 3, I also got checked, and hit the rear of another ...uhm... individual, thats why you hit me
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Oct 10, 2021 21:31:17 GMT
To add insult to injury, having done the maths now calmly, it would have been my sixth stop and I was nowhere near the fuel allocation limit. That 36 litres would have been of significance if my out of sequence pitting had required a seventh stop...
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Post by Juha Bos on Oct 10, 2021 22:05:23 GMT
Result and points are updated:
I think this was the first 500 miler I've managed to complete without bending something on the car. Took me a while. I did make my life rather difficult though, by selecting the wrong setup. After a surprising start, leading the race to keep the sponsors happy, I found my car had an amazing amount of grip. Far more then it had before. Then I noticed the corner speeds, the fuel gauge, and realised I had the round 2 setup instead of the post-update one, which made for some scary fuel numbers. It took me 3 stops before I found the correct wing setup, by which point I was 2 laps down after 60 laps with a very lively handling car, but surprisingly still battling for 5th. Ray's retirement moved me to 4th, but Adam blew his engine too late for my to get any reward out of it. Still, not a bad result considering the mess I made out of it.
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Post by Jules Bouchard on Oct 10, 2021 23:00:48 GMT
I had a good start and made my way to 8th place after dodging some hairy incidents (nearly collected Janik). Then a Penske exited the pits and went into my line so I had to take some evasive action and nearly collected that one as well. That little moment let the cars behind me by and from then on the race got worse.
After that I was effectively last and just tried to keep my fuel consumption below 5L per lap to avoid any post-race DQs. I'm happy to get my 2nd highest points of the season (after Mosport). Been a hard season!
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Post by Alan Santo on Oct 11, 2021 9:07:48 GMT
First time starting at front row and also got a DT penalty, in my case, I was worried for being warned to get closer to pace car that I reached main straight faster than allowed and hence was penalised.
Then I followed Bruno and we were recovering our lost time steadily until I see him spinning at pit entry. And I had fuel for two more laps but car felt snappy when low fuel, and it was kinda sudden change of behaviour. Like, until around 30L, no issues, bellow that, it was a no mans land.
Still, I survived around 6 pit windows like this, increasing rear wing to help on this at expense of spending a little bit more of fuel, but it was ok still. One thing it was not good was a backmarker pushing me off at opposite straight after I deployed full boost and was side by side. Even touched dirt and I was extremely lucky I managed to hold the car from spinning. Then, a couple of laps after I got squeezed on the wall by same car.
Plus damage I caused myself by touching the walls worsened this end of stint instability until I couldn't hold any longer and met the walls.
Glad to make it to front row and completed half the race and with strong pace. Need to sort out on how to have car stable on all phases of race and maybe prioritize low fuel, don't know... Also, wasting a lot of time on pits, even changing only right tyres. Without clutch pedal it feels like eternity to get the car rolling again.
That's it, great race while it lasted.
EDIT: As a late edit to this message, it was either entering to the pitlane to serve Drive Through at the end of 3rd lap or get disqualified. Why not serving it before? No room either on 1st or 2nd, only for 3rd lap there were clean space ahead. However it's clearly impossible to enter the pitlane full flat, so contrary to what's being said there were no checking but rather minding my own business of serving a mandatory DT unless common understanding is that I should have taken DQ instead...
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Post by Brian Janik on Oct 11, 2021 18:27:01 GMT
First time starting at front row and also got a DT penalty, in my case, I was worried for being warned to get closer to pace car that I reached main straight faster than allowed and hence was penalised. Then I followed Bruno and we were recovering our lost time steadily until I see him spinning at pit entry. And I had fuel for two more laps but car felt snappy when low fuel, and it was kinda sudden change of behaviour. Like, until around 30L, no issues, bellow that, it was a no mans land. Still, I survived around 6 pit windows like this, increasing rear wing to help on this at expense of spending a little bit more of fuel, but it was ok still. One thing it was not good was a backmarker pushing me off at opposite straight after I deployed full boost and was side by side. Even touched dirt and I was extremely lucky I managed to hold the car from spinning. Then, a couple of laps after I got squeezed on the wall by same car. Plus damage I caused myself by touching the walls worsened this end of stint instability until I couldn't hold any longer and met the walls. Glad to make it to front row and completed half the race and with strong pace. Need to sort out on how to have car stable on all phases of race and maybe prioritize low fuel, don't know... Also, wasting a lot of time on pits, even changing only right tyres. Without clutch pedal it feels like eternity to get the car rolling again. That's it, great race while it lasted. EDIT: As a late edit to this message, it was either entering to the pitlane to serve Drive Through at the end of 3rd lap or get disqualified. Why not serving it before? No room either on 1st or 2nd, only for 3rd lap there were clean space ahead. However it's clearly impossible to enter the pitlane full flat, so contrary to what's being said there were no checking but rather minding my own business of serving a mandatory DT unless common understanding is that I should have taken DQ instead... It was a tricky situation for you, I understand BUT There was NO WAY OF KNOWING your intention of heading into pit lane!! Not on Lap 3, not at your pace (which indicated no damage), and nothing in your car language. You were on a normal racing line and normal speed with me a meter behind, and as I squeeze full throttle you completely lift and head left. Impossible to react in the available space to avoid you. Resulting domino effect compromising the races of at least 3 people, but hey, at least YOU didnt lose much time, or get DQ'd See you next time
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Oct 11, 2021 19:03:09 GMT
I'd like to add that some people in their DFX cruise missiles give slower cars the neccessary room to survive when they pass them. And others simply cut you off of your line so you might end up in a pretty hairy situation exiting the turn. Either you are on the inside in time or adjust your approach speed accordingly, but please don't tuck underneath other cars when their just about to turn in, because then the car on the outside can end up being to high to make it through. I had a handful of such instances yesterday, and at least once I had to overcorrect in a way out of T4, so another competitor had to take evasive action. Damn, you are so much faster in every aspect, you don't have to put other people's races at risk like that!
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Post by Alan Santo on Oct 11, 2021 20:45:11 GMT
First time starting at front row and also got a DT penalty, in my case, I was worried for being warned to get closer to pace car that I reached main straight faster than allowed and hence was penalised. Then I followed Bruno and we were recovering our lost time steadily until I see him spinning at pit entry. And I had fuel for two more laps but car felt snappy when low fuel, and it was kinda sudden change of behaviour. Like, until around 30L, no issues, bellow that, it was a no mans land. Still, I survived around 6 pit windows like this, increasing rear wing to help on this at expense of spending a little bit more of fuel, but it was ok still. One thing it was not good was a backmarker pushing me off at opposite straight after I deployed full boost and was side by side. Even touched dirt and I was extremely lucky I managed to hold the car from spinning. Then, a couple of laps after I got squeezed on the wall by same car. Plus damage I caused myself by touching the walls worsened this end of stint instability until I couldn't hold any longer and met the walls. Glad to make it to front row and completed half the race and with strong pace. Need to sort out on how to have car stable on all phases of race and maybe prioritize low fuel, don't know... Also, wasting a lot of time on pits, even changing only right tyres. Without clutch pedal it feels like eternity to get the car rolling again. That's it, great race while it lasted. EDIT: As a late edit to this message, it was either entering to the pitlane to serve Drive Through at the end of 3rd lap or get disqualified. Why not serving it before? No room either on 1st or 2nd, only for 3rd lap there were clean space ahead. However it's clearly impossible to enter the pitlane full flat, so contrary to what's being said there were no checking but rather minding my own business of serving a mandatory DT unless common understanding is that I should have taken DQ instead... It was a tricky situation for you, I understand BUT There was NO WAY OF KNOWING your intention of heading into pit lane!! Not on Lap 3, not at your pace (which indicated no damage), and nothing in your car language. You were on a normal racing line and normal speed with me a meter behind, and as I squeeze full throttle you completely lift and head left. Impossible to react in the available space to avoid you. Resulting domino effect compromising the races of at least 3 people, but hey, at least YOU didnt lose much time, or get DQ'd See you next time It surely won't bring your, Thim and Martin races back, still I apologize for not finding a way of entering the pits in a safe way. If contact was made, then I should have found a safer way to enter and because of that I must bear responsibility on it, penalty wise inclusive if admins get it this way. On the other hand, what a waste of irony... why not being objective by telling us what you would have done differently or even explain that unusual move on the back straight at lap 14... and the other on lap 18... oh, why bother, I suspect I know the answer anyway! Huh, wasted irony from myself too... S'yaa
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Post by Juha Bos on Oct 11, 2021 20:48:00 GMT
The pre-race briefing mentioned that, if you wanted to pit, and you were followed by another car, you should indicate that by moving left on the back stretch. If this didn't happen, then you are liable to receive a penalty.
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Post by Richard Wilks on Oct 11, 2021 21:00:39 GMT
Is it really so hard to discuss these things by PM?
We dont want to see these events dragged on race threads.
We have a rulebook of penalties and even an automated protest system in which the admins get an automatic email everytime someone protests, and we even keep it anonymous, so use it!
Or else we start applying penalties to those who DON'T use it, and insist on doing dirty laundry on the forum. And we will start doing just that full force for next year, as well as punishing those who ruin someone else's race, and act totally oblivious about it.
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Post by Brian Janik on Oct 12, 2021 0:01:27 GMT
Is it really so hard to discuss these things by PM? We dont want to see these events dragged on race threads. We have a rulebook of penalties and even an automated protest system in which the admins get an automatic email everytime someone protests, and we even keep it anonymous, so use it! Or else we start applying penalties to those who DON'T use it, and insist on doing dirty laundry on the forum. And we will start doing just that full force for next year, as well as punishing those who ruin someone else's race, and act totally oblivious about it. Take this as you will I see no reason to issue a protest As mentioned it was a very tricky situation, of course it would've been great if there was some way of discouraging my idea of trying to hang SO tight exiting 4. PM only, maybe? but it was already brought up, and this is also a situation that we could all benefit from discussing? dunno Alan- What do I suggest? it isnt fair to say, as it easy to have a problem here no matter what you or I would've done if roles reversed in the heat of the moment. I'm afraid the usual method of moving left on back straight would have looked like something else in early laps with a tight pack of cars, so I don't even think that was a problem. But it might have helped, not sure? With a combination of easing off entering turn 4 while heading low early? BUT who would want to do that after getting an unjustified penalty? There just isn't a lot of scenarios like this, to perfect some multi layered technique of signalling a pit entrance. I sympathize with your predicament, none of us are perfect (we would be beyond ISO if we were) I see it as a perfect storm racing incident amongst amateurs (Thankfully in a SIM) If anyone deserves a protest it's me, for giving 2 squeezes of displeasure. I loved my pre-damage race pace, sadly it was lost, BUT we ALL want to do well, so somebody call me a WaaWaaambulance
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Post by Bruno Chacon on Oct 12, 2021 11:31:51 GMT
Admins could please add Coyote #84 to the Michigan server's car list?
I can't log into the server with Coyote #84, this option doesn't appear to me, only Cezarius #14 is available on the server for the Gilmore team.
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