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Post by Michael Drechsler on Apr 8, 2021 15:33:20 GMT
Would be interesting to know what kind of engine Zakspeed used in that test. Brunner cars were usually pretty sound designs, but Zakspeed opted to use Yamaha engines they got for free instead of spending money on a customer engine. To bad the Yamaha was a piece of garbage turned into an engine, that was just some 40 to 60 hp short of the usual customer-DFRs and barely lasted that one hour on friday morning. The two times Bernd Schneider got beyond prequalifying, he was also able to haul that thing into the grid, though. Zakspeed was still hoping to fix a sponsor deal for the 1990 season after West pulled out, but according to what I read, these post season tests turned out to be just a continuation of the disastreous season, still slow and plagued by reliability issues. That blue car identified as Leyton House is actually an Onyx, of all things JPvR did, senting his 'money' to Bicester wasn't among them
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Post by Bruno Pagiola on Apr 8, 2021 16:58:33 GMT
Yeah. Schneider just qualified for Brazilian GP because they allow the 5 best times by Pre-Qualy to pass to oficial sessions (normally 4). Yamaha had some experience producing valves for DFR engines, but they tried the same way gone by Larrousse with Lamborghini (with more Lucky).
But, I think that this Pre-Qualify ruling was too hard for poorest teams, because they are forced to afford their logistical costs to run a just one-hour session at Friday and go back to Europe. There was three GP in line at Mexico, USA and Canada, and you can immagine a team like Eurobrun, Rial, Coloni paying its own transports to just make a PQ session without expose the sponsors to TV or even to the public. Some teams had great potential, like Onyx and Zakspeed.
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Post by Juha Bos on Apr 8, 2021 19:09:30 GMT
25 minutes of Procar footage... No, not THAT Procar, it's the final round of the 1996 Belgian Procar championship. "Up to 50 cars on the grid, one of the biggest grids in Europe" was claimed by its promotor, but it required a lot of non-supertourers to reach that number. Two 320i's for Duez and Tassin who spent too much time trying to outdo each other, Thibaut with the mostly uncompetitive but gorgeous looking Stella Artois Vectra (the equally uncompetitive 406 for former CART racer Bachelart was absent for this round), an Accord for former bike racer de Radiguès who nearly won the championship, an A4 for Hemroulle who did win it, and one off appearances for van de poele in a Primeras and Vosse in the grey/yellow back-up A4, were joined by privateers in older spec supertourers, 2-litre Group N-ish style cars, 10 BMW Compacts and 10 106's. In all, only 6 cars did a more or less full season in the top class.
Before the full switch to Supertourers in 1994, we had a final year of DTM-style rules, with less technology. By 1993, the field in the top class had dwindled, but the previous years saw up to 20 cars and exotics like a Venturi, TVR Tuscan, Mazda RX-7 and the obvious gaggle of 911's. Not sure how they fitted in as touring cars, but it looked fun. Back to supertourers, the 1996 Spa 24 Hours, and for once the Vectra was working properly. It even managed to outdrag the BMW's. It would retire with engine failure on Sunday, gifting BMW a complete podium with two works Bigazzi entries and the private Slaus 318.
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Apr 8, 2021 19:56:15 GMT
Yeah. Schneider just qualified for Brazilian GP because they allow the 5 best times by Pre-Qualy to pass to oficial sessions (normally 4). Yamaha had some experience producing valves for DFR engines, but they tried the same way gone by Larrousse with Lamborghini (with more Lucky). But, I think that this Pre-Qualify ruling was too hard for poorest teams, because they are forced to afford their logistical costs to run a just one-hour session at Friday and go back to Europe. There was three GP in line at Mexico, USA and Canada, and you can immagine a team like Eurobrun, Rial, Coloni paying its own transports to just make a PQ session without expose the sponsors to TV or even to the public. Some teams had great potential, like Onyx and Zakspeed. If you're trying to play with the boys in the highest ranking motorsport series, you should be up for the game, and have enough dosh on your account, or at least now where to get it. There were quite a few adventurers (and some shady figures like van Rossem, Calmels, Sassetti, Middlebridge group...) back in the late 80s/early 90s, when F1 went back to N/A engines, who were prepared for F3000, but they were far from being ready for the world tour in a series, where the top drivers earned more money in a season than some slower teams had to live with. Some Teams showed made it (Jordan, Sauber, Minardi), some showed some initial potential (Onyx, Rial, Brabham), others were a hopeless waste of money (Coloni, AGS, Eurobrun). Prequalification was probably meant as a measure to discourage and eliminate those who couldn't come up with the required professionalism. Zakspeed certainly had experience and with Gustav Brunner a renowned designer, but they have always been strapped for cash. No idea what history would have been like if Zakowski had opened his wallet for a halfways competitive engine, the best thing the Yamaha engine could offer was the fact it didn't cost any money for the team, but it certainly had its share in Zakspeed pulling the plug for F1. While Yamaha had some experience with F3000 engines, they were absolutely clueless about F1 engines. A single cogged belt to drive all four cams of a high-revving V8? Bold move, or recipe for disaster. When they returned in 1991, they did with a Judd-designed engine...
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Post by Richard Wilks on Apr 8, 2021 21:07:45 GMT
Yeah. Schneider just qualified for Brazilian GP because they allow the 5 best times by Pre-Qualy to pass to oficial sessions (normally 4). Yamaha had some experience producing valves for DFR engines, but they tried the same way gone by Larrousse with Lamborghini (with more Lucky). But, I think that this Pre-Qualify ruling was too hard for poorest teams, because they are forced to afford their logistical costs to run a just one-hour session at Friday and go back to Europe. There was three GP in line at Mexico, USA and Canada, and you can immagine a team like Eurobrun, Rial, Coloni paying its own transports to just make a PQ session without expose the sponsors to TV or even to the public. Some teams had great potential, like Onyx and Zakspeed. If you're trying to play with the boys in the highest ranking motorsport series, you should be up for the game, and have enough dosh on your account, or at least now where to get it. There were quite a few adventurers (and some shady figures like van Rossem, Calmels, Sassetti, Middlebridge group...) back in the late 80s/early 90s, when F1 went back to N/A engines, who were prepared for F3000, but they were far from being ready for the world tour in a series, where the top drivers earned more money in a season than some slower teams had to live with. Some Teams showed made it (Jordan, Sauber, Minardi), some showed some initial potential (Onyx, Rial, Brabham), others were a hopeless waste of money (Coloni, AGS, Eurobrun). Prequalification was probably meant as a measure to discourage and eliminate those who couldn't come up with the required professionalism. Zakspeed certainly had experience and with Gustav Brunner a renowned designer, but they have always been strapped for cash. No idea what history would have been like if Zakowski had opened his wallet for a halfways competitive engine, the best thing the Yamaha engine could offer was the fact it didn't cost any money for the team, but it certainly had its share in Zakspeed pulling the plug for F1. While Yamaha had some experience with F3000 engines, they were absolutely clueless about F1 engines. A single cogged belt to drive all four cams of a high-revving V8? Bold move, or recipe for disaster. When they returned in 1991, they did with a Judd-designed engine... Actually no, the Yamaha V12 had nothing to do with Judd. The Judd association came with he V10 later in 93.
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Apr 8, 2021 21:42:53 GMT
You're right, I forgot about that one.
BTW, did I mention I'd love to see a proper F1 '89 mod?
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Post by Jules Bouchard on Apr 8, 2021 22:21:55 GMT
You're right, I forgot about that one.
BTW, did I mention I'd love to see a proper F1 '89 mod? Yeah that season really needs some love. I just received the Autocourse 1989 book the other day. The cars that year were just so beautiful; and the book complements my 1993 book well.
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Apr 8, 2021 22:30:08 GMT
1989 is special to me, because it was the year I really got hooked to motorsport. I've seen races before, but the first GP I can consciously remember having seen is the 1989 Imola GP - the one where it got a bit hot in Gerhard Berger's Ferrari...
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Post by Bruno Pagiola on Apr 8, 2021 23:37:59 GMT
Yeah. Schneider just qualified for Brazilian GP because they allow the 5 best times by Pre-Qualy to pass to oficial sessions (normally 4). Yamaha had some experience producing valves for DFR engines, but they tried the same way gone by Larrousse with Lamborghini (with more Lucky). But, I think that this Pre-Qualify ruling was too hard for poorest teams, because they are forced to afford their logistical costs to run a just one-hour session at Friday and go back to Europe. There was three GP in line at Mexico, USA and Canada, and you can immagine a team like Eurobrun, Rial, Coloni paying its own transports to just make a PQ session without expose the sponsors to TV or even to the public. Some teams had great potential, like Onyx and Zakspeed. If you're trying to play with the boys in the highest ranking motorsport series, you should be up for the game, and have enough dosh on your account, or at least now where to get it. There were quite a few adventurers (and some shady figures like van Rossem, Calmels, Sassetti, Middlebridge group...) back in the late 80s/early 90s, when F1 went back to N/A engines, who were prepared for F3000, but they were far from being ready for the world tour in a series, where the top drivers earned more money in a season than some slower teams had to live with. Some Teams showed made it (Jordan, Sauber, Minardi), some showed some initial potential (Onyx, Rial, Brabham), others were a hopeless waste of money (Coloni, AGS, Eurobrun). Prequalification was probably meant as a measure to discourage and eliminate those who couldn't come up with the required professionalism. Zakspeed certainly had experience and with Gustav Brunner a renowned designer, but they have always been strapped for cash. No idea what history would have been like if Zakowski had opened his wallet for a halfways competitive engine, the best thing the Yamaha engine could offer was the fact it didn't cost any money for the team, but it certainly had its share in Zakspeed pulling the plug for F1. While Yamaha had some experience with F3000 engines, they were absolutely clueless about F1 engines. A single cogged belt to drive all four cams of a high-revving V8? Bold move, or recipe for disaster. When they returned in 1991, they did with a Judd-designed engine... And Today, we can see a pay driver buying his own team and low rated drivers like Mazepin in the Grid. All the nowadays teams had a big budget, sign good sponsors deal and can catch a pay driver...then this team has a guaranted place at the Grid. If Haas cars run 5 seconds slower than Williams, no problem. Ok, we had some people that couldn't be involved at F1, like Sasseti... But there were good rated teams that can improve and develop its performance by the time. But, no team can survive missing the qualify 3 or 4 races in line.
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Post by Bruno Pagiola on Apr 9, 2021 1:10:52 GMT
I had the sticker almanac of 1989 season. I had seen some races before, but the first season that I remember to look up and search news about that's 1989 season. Brazil had great interesting for F1 in this time by the sucessfull carrers of Piquet and Senna in contrast of Soccer momemt having a long time without win a World Cup.
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Apr 9, 2021 8:05:52 GMT
Ah, drivers who got their seat because daddy or some personal associate or even themself opened the wallet were part of the game from the very beginning. Some you'd never know, some were hopeless and others handed their money but never received a serious effort for a truly competitive session in return. With Mazepin and Stroll with their billionaire daddies its probably a little bit more exposed nowadays than it was before, but I know the word 'paydriver' since 1989...
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Post by Jason White on Apr 11, 2021 16:05:36 GMT
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Post by Jason White on Apr 17, 2021 0:10:26 GMT
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Post by Ryan Walker on Apr 19, 2021 12:04:30 GMT
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Post by Ryan Walker on Apr 23, 2021 23:41:57 GMT
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Post by Jules Bouchard on Apr 26, 2021 19:34:13 GMT
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Post by Juha Bos on Apr 27, 2021 20:54:58 GMT
Predating the official Ferrari Challenge, we had the Spa Ferrari Days. Visibly the only rule was that the entered cars had to be Ferraris. Apart from that, anything was allowed, from a pure racing F40, a proper 250 GTO or Daytona, down to your "average " 348 without a rollcage. In later years other races were added to the program and it became an official race meeting, rather than just a Ferrari club meeting. There were a few interlopers in 1998, but still a glorious gathering of cars: Amateur footage from one of the first meetings in 1990, which I attended as a 3 year old. I suppose that's one way of being introduced to proper cars. The actual racing starts around 19:30 with the slower cars like the 308 and 348, more rapid and expensive cars at 22:00, at 22:30 10 F40's with various levels of tuning take to the grid, one of them with a nose held together by duct tape and another coughing out an expensive cloud of smoke, and the final race is 26 minutes in when the whole bunch is thrown together.
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Post by Jason Fitch on Apr 30, 2021 23:04:43 GMT
This is just pornographic....
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Post by Jason White on May 4, 2021 16:46:24 GMT
Uncle Bobby sloshes to victory in 1975
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Post by Jason White on May 8, 2021 11:15:30 GMT
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Post by Juha Bos on May 8, 2021 12:01:47 GMT
Bobby Unser appreciating the weather at 0.47, showing he's quite fast up at hill at 5.25, and explaining an encounter with a bus at 7.46.
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Post by David Jaques on May 15, 2021 11:03:33 GMT
he's in the fence. they're all in the fence!
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Post by August Watring on May 21, 2021 0:11:32 GMT
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Post by Jason Fitch on May 21, 2021 1:59:24 GMT
Dammit August, I was coming to post this.......
Everyone else...WATCH IT!!!
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Post by August Watring on May 21, 2021 2:06:03 GMT
Dammit August, I was coming to post this.......
Everyone else...WATCH IT!!!
I knew one of us was gonna get to it first when I saw it was uploaded lol
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