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Post by Andrew Hutchinson on Apr 15, 2020 19:09:28 GMT
For cars with H pattern shifters what do you guys use for hardware - are you better off with a shifter and declutching or do you left foot brake with two pedals? I am sure some of the problem I'm having keeping the car in gear stems from poor rev matching but some other times in identical situations (same track out speed, same shift point, same amount of lift) I can't for the life of me get it back in gear one lap and then it's fine the next. It is usually on up shift.
Is H pattern with clutch pedal the way to go?
I have a set of T3Pa pedals that I couldn't get to work with my GPL install that I imagine would work with AMS so I am sort of amenable to putting together a shifter if that is the way to go. I 'd always rather being driving than fiddling but I'm losing too much time with how I am doing it right now.
(EDIT: I'm using a Logitech DFGT w/2pedals currently and I have to use auto clutch as a result)
Thanks for your time,
Andrew Hutchinson
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Post by Andrew Hutchinson on Apr 15, 2020 19:49:49 GMT
Thanks Timo!
Right now I'm lifting all the way - I can hear the throttle return stop before I pull for a gear. I was lifting partially before (almost no throttle) but it was worse. Maybe I've got the autoclutch timing all wrong. I have no idea how much delay is built into it. So much to learn/relearn... Thanks for your input.
Andrew
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Apr 15, 2020 19:53:14 GMT
I'm using paddles, but clucth on upshifts. On downshifts I left foot brake and give the gas a tap to rev-match.
Using the clutch on upshifts makes easier not to miss a gear, as you memorize hitting the end of the clutch before the paddle, so that when you release it is well timed for the gear to have engaged. The trick is getting into a rythm, once you have it you will only rarely miss gears.
Yes by all means, those are way better pedals. Will improve your experience a lot.
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Post by Pascal Mikula on Apr 15, 2020 20:26:14 GMT
I use a TH8A Shifter and for pedals I'm using my Logitech G29 ones.
I simply shift the same way you'd shift a road car, de-clutch - change gear - clutch in and there ya go. On the downshifts, I personally use my left foot for the brake and clutch, as the brake and clutch are closer together than the brake and throttle.
I press both the clutch and brake with my left foot when entering a braking zone, however I shift the weight more on the right half of my right foot so that the clutch doesn't disengage (yet). When it comes time to downshift, I shift the weight on the left half, releasing the brakes a little bit but disengaging the clutch, stabbing the throttle with my whole right foot, and changing gear down. Rinse and repeat.
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Post by Andrew Hutchinson on Apr 16, 2020 18:09:56 GMT
Thanks for all of the info guys. Much better now with a manual clutch. I can start to use more road now that the car is gear. I have to adjust the pedal parameters but it's a good start. This is my first time with a modern sim so sorry for some of the dumb questions.
Cheers,
Andrew
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Post by Pascal Mikula on Apr 16, 2020 19:46:08 GMT
One thing I recommend is that you turn up the sensitivity of your clutch axis to the maximum. The clutches in the F1 cars are very, very sensible and they will bite very early, so if you turn your clutch sensitivity up, it gives you a little more breathing room for standing starts.
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Post by Brian Janik on Apr 20, 2020 12:58:53 GMT
TH8A Shifter, FANcyTEC pedals I still miss gears sometimes. Usually due to timing, but even putting gear lever in wrong location if I lose focus (Which was caught in Mexican GP broadcast  ) |
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Post by Jason Whited on Apr 20, 2020 13:40:29 GMT
TH8A Shifter, FANcyTEC pedals I still miss gears sometimes. Usually due to timing, but even putting gear lever in wrong location if I lose focus (Which was caught in Mexican GP broadcast ) Completely off topic, but I can't resist....your avatar is great, Brian!  |
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Post by Thiago Canola on Apr 23, 2020 11:46:22 GMT
On the downshifts, I personally use my left foot for the brake and clutch, as the brake and clutch are closer together than the brake and throttle. I press both the clutch and brake with my left foot when entering a braking zone, however I shift the weight more on the right half of my right foot so that the clutch doesn't disengage (yet). When it comes time to downshift, I shift the weight on the left half, releasing the brakes a little bit but disengaging the clutch, stabbing the throttle with my whole right foot, and changing gear down. Rinse and repeat. Hello Pascal, using the left foot pressing the clutch and brake at the same time? I'm curious. Is this a new thing or I missed it? You very much know the old rally style jumping from heel-and-toe to left foot braking for weight transfer but what you said is something else. Is it so you don't get too much lock from differential? |
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Post by Pascal Mikula on Apr 23, 2020 12:02:29 GMT
On the downshifts, I personally use my left foot for the brake and clutch, as the brake and clutch are closer together than the brake and throttle. I press both the clutch and brake with my left foot when entering a braking zone, however I shift the weight more on the right half of my right foot so that the clutch doesn't disengage (yet). When it comes time to downshift, I shift the weight on the left half, releasing the brakes a little bit but disengaging the clutch, stabbing the throttle with my whole right foot, and changing gear down. Rinse and repeat. Hello Pascal, using the left foot pressing the clutch and brake at the same time? I'm curious. Is this a new thing or I missed it? You very much know the old rally style jumping from heel-and-toe to left foot braking for weight transfer but what you said is something else. Is it so you don't get too much lock from differential?
Actually, the only real reason I do it with the left foot is because on Logitech pedals, the brake and clutch pedal are closer together than the brake and throttle. I'd love to be able to do with right foot (brake + throttle) but it doesn't work because I'd completely cramp up my right foot after two or three shifts. But a nice side effect is that I can ride the throttle and stabilize the car on the way and make sure I don't lose the rear.
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Post by Jonatan Acerclinth on Apr 23, 2020 12:14:31 GMT
I believe the way people has gotten around that situation is by inverting the pedal case and pedals, so that you get the throttle where the clutch originally is and the clutch where the throttle is. I've seen setups of it but not gotten into it myself, I've found another way to work the blip and left foot brake, probably thanks to my Folkracing, where the throttle and brake is quite a-ways apart as well.
But if one feel technical and well crafted in such things, one can probably make that change without too much hazzle.
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Post by Kayo "Sideways" Michiels on Apr 23, 2020 23:43:51 GMT
T3PA pedals (for now... upgrading to T-LCM soon) (with spring mod for stiffer brake) and TH8A shifter with 3d printed short throw shifterplate: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2778381 |
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Post by Anders Nilsson on Apr 24, 2020 12:00:01 GMT
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