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Post by Mick Chapman on May 3, 2020 22:49:03 GMT
Just realised I was in the wrong Benetton......sorry.
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Post by Brian Janik on May 3, 2020 23:04:18 GMT
Apologies to Ray! I really messed you up I went in, and couldn't get out. Contact was not part of the plan, you were a magnet once it happened Let you by in next couple laps, but already cost you another position.
This season has gone completely off the rails
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Post by Richard Wilks on May 3, 2020 23:11:15 GMT
That was a very hard tiring race. Close battles, distance battles, some mistakes, had it all for me.
I am glad i took a point out of this, and in such a challenging track!
Congrats to all the finishers, and for Del Piccolo for finally taking it home!
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Post by Grant Riddall on May 4, 2020 9:03:38 GMT
Congratulations Gabriele
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Post by David Sabre on May 4, 2020 10:27:45 GMT
Well done Gabriele. Good drives by Pascal and Dave. Thanks for the broadcast.
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Post by Pascal Mikula on May 4, 2020 10:50:26 GMT
i guess the only comment im gonna make as far as this race goes is that i had a sudden (seemingly) brake failure (not really but i lost braking power rapidly) just as del piccolo made his second stop; had that not happened i would have ended up ahead and thus had a better shot at winning. this is the closest ive ever come to suffering a brake failure and thats also the reason i slowed down so much in the last couple laps; i literally lost braking power and was afraid that had i kept on pushing, the brakes would've gone completely. so yeah, i guess some people just have more luck than others.
besides that, i didnt enjoy this track a single bit. i dont think many people enjoyed this track.
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on May 4, 2020 10:55:45 GMT
As we said in the broadcast, it was a weird layout in a track chose for political reasons and it never got much love in real life from the real drivers - so I guess it's fitting that it doesn't appeal either to many of the virtual ones. In turn, we will get Spa instead of Zolder though, which is IMO a plus compared with other F1 seasons
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Post by Pascal Mikula on May 4, 2020 11:00:24 GMT
As we said in the broadcast, it was a weird layout in a track chose for political reasons and it never got much love in real life from the real drivers - so I guess it's fitting that it doesn't appeal either to many of the virtual ones. In turn, we will get Spa instead of Zolder though, which is IMO a plus compared with other F1 seasons Can't disagree with that
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Post by Juha Bos on May 4, 2020 11:03:38 GMT
Zolder is a fantastic track compared to Magny Cours.
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Post by Juha Bos on May 4, 2020 11:41:36 GMT
My race didn't go as planned, but they usually don't when I'm near a 91 F1 car.
I spent a lot of time practising, received good advice from Gabriele and Anders, but I was still over a second slower than I should have been. But hey, still the pace was good and I felt I could set a 1.19, so it looked good.
Come Sunday: nothing happened. I blew my first qualifying attempt through my own doing, the next two were hampered by slower cars, and the final one was a mess, so I had a lot of cars in front of me on the grid.
After turn 1, I had even more cars in front after turning my McLaren into a dune buggy. I set to regain places, had great battle with Anders, but I never found the pace of the previous days. Had I repeated that, I reckon I'd have been in the Top 5. Instead I faded away completely.
Well done Gabriele on finally notching up a win, you deserved it after putting in so much effort, and those in front, I'm in awe of the skill you all display each time to show me a clean pair of heels.
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Post by Kayo "Sideways" Michiels on May 4, 2020 12:52:14 GMT
So, i mentioned after a save during practise that i because i have experience with cars without downforce and therefore i can catch (most of the time) it when it steps out, along with that i raced on this track with 1966 CanAm cars:
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Post by Victor Alcocer on May 4, 2020 13:04:17 GMT
Magny Cours is a cool track,i mean apart for the chicane after Adelaide but by the way its not so bad !
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Post by Tim Hille on May 4, 2020 15:25:59 GMT
My Race was like I expected it, boring/not really funny (like the Track) I gained many Positions in L1 T1 when many decided To test the French Gravel. In lap 7 I had a Moment at T2, 3rd didn't engage(I think), my rear said Hello, resulting in a Gravel test. That was pretty much the only not Boring moment during the Race. Overtook other People, was Back at p4 until Jaques overtook me, when I saw the gap to P6 I just cruised Home.
Happy to got some Points in my 2.nd Race in the Jordan. A huge Thank you to Gabriele for helping me getting to speed at this Track. Happy to finish this Race and hoping to never drive again at this Track.
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Post by François Remmen on May 4, 2020 16:03:21 GMT
Realy like to congratulate Gabriele my friend , knowing you invest so much time in these cars. what a great reward , awesome to watch you take the 1st place.
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on May 4, 2020 16:08:05 GMT
hoping to never drive again at this Track. Not this year ... and not next one either.
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Post by Jules Bouchard on May 4, 2020 17:50:31 GMT
Magny Cours is a cool track,i mean apart for the chicane after Adelaide but by the way its not so bad ! Magny Cours is an interesting track and one that can be quite tricky, as we saw yesterday. I don't know what they were thinking with that horrible chicane after Adelaide though. I've never seen that on any other track.
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Post by Pascal Mikula on May 4, 2020 17:53:29 GMT
I keep hearing on the broadcasts that the Honda V10 is an oh so powerful engine, and I'd like to post a little clarification. While the Ford HB found in the Benetton, Jordan, etc. has 705 bhp, the Honda V10 has 665 bhp. Plus, the Ford HB gets upgrades, as does the Ferrari V12, as does the Honda V12, etc. etc. - while the Honda V10 found in the Tyrrell has its 665 bhp all season long.
So, in essence, the Honda V10 isn't that powerful. As far as I know, the only engines weaker than the Honda V10 are the backmarker engines, the Ford DFR, the Judd V8 (IIRC) and the Lamborghini V12. Correct me if I'm wrong on that one.
The only thing I feel the Honda V10 has over basically all the other engines is that its power delivery feels incredibly smooth. No power peaks, no sudden loss of power at high revs, nothing. AFAIK the HB is a little peaky going to the top.
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Post by Richard Coxon on May 4, 2020 19:24:44 GMT
Judd V10 Ilmor V10 Judd V8 Porsche V12 Ford DFR Hart Ford DFR Mader
All have less power than the Honda V10. 5 of the 6 don't get upgrades either.
The Tyrrell's strong point is it's chassis.
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on May 4, 2020 20:20:00 GMT
I wonder why I'm still doing this? Because you like it. And you know it
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Post by Richard Coxon on May 4, 2020 20:23:23 GMT
Timo said that Alberto, not me. He may not be into that sort of thing 🤣
That list is in power order.
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on May 4, 2020 20:37:56 GMT
I know, the quote got mixed. I will edit the thread to fix it.
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Post by Pascal Mikula on May 5, 2020 3:24:45 GMT
Judd V10 Ilmor V10 Judd V8 Porsche V12 Ford DFR Hart Ford DFR Mader All have less power than the Honda V10. 5 of the 6 don't get upgrades either. The Tyrrell's strong point is it's chassis.
I think you can scratch the Porsche since it's not being used anymore anyway ^^
But damn, I thought the Judd and Ilmor V10s would be at least close to the Honda? Anyway, the point was, at the end of the season (and especially at fast tracks), i'll get my arse handed to me by the Ford HB powered cars and the McLaren (which will at the end have 90 bhp more than the Tyrrell)
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Post by Gabriele Del Piccolo on May 5, 2020 13:24:06 GMT
I have a couple of memories of Magny Cours of what it was: a puzzle track built in the middle of nowhere at the end of the Mitterand era and an extremely technical track used by F1 for private tests in the 90s.
I also remember that 3 years ago, when I drove the tiny Larrousse I had to use the setup of my dear friend Paolo Rossetti because I hadn't understood anything in dozens of laps. And with his setup I risked going to the podium! So, I reassembled the characteristics of that setup on my current Jordan. Having started working on, since the release of the track on the server, every afternoon I dedicated myself to progress and doing various experiments taking advantage of the fact that here in Italy we are still in the lockdown period, with the right calm and patience. Magny Cours is a track where the driving instinct must be violated in favor of efficiency and cleanliness in the trajectories (as Prost driving style ..)
After defining a couple of setups, I concentrated on two possible race scenarios: A = 1 stop, B = 2 stops. And I tried the race simulation on both choices. Telling the truth, the best choice ever was the A on the overall time, since I noticed how the tires in the first stint and in the second lasted well over 30 laps without having real dropping down.
Qualifying: I thought I would start from the front row but Anders Nilsson take pole at the last the useful minute. Really amazing stuff! The higher temperature (27 AIR, 34 TRACK) we had compared to free practice sent the front tires a bit into crisis. Oooookkkk, P3.
Race: I started decently, I passed Nilsson on the right, and....... I stalled, out of the revs, in third gear. Ooookkk. I picked up the situation, passed Iquino and push to catch Miller. At Estoril he was slower than me but at the end of the straight he was a missile. At the first real attempt at Adelaide I braked far too late, almost spinning. Ooookkkk. I cool down the tires losing more time, then from the following lap I picked up my pace and then Miller, studying another place to look for an overtake. At 180deg corner I saw that he remained on the right and I throw myself on the left closed like a magnet to the curb. Okay, done. P2 I tried to push and hunt Mikula on lap 20 or so. I studied him, sometimes he came out slow from corners while at the exit of Estoril he was certainly fast. I tried again at my favorite curve, a little too optimistically. Oooookkk It's better to turn-on the brain. PLAN B: I called the stop and went to pits. Now P3. I picked up the pace quickly from and I was back again on Miller's slipstream. The help comes from a Benetton who was about to be lapped and I got this opportunity to overtake on the right on Adelaide hairpin. This time everything was perfect, opportunistic move was Okay. P2. I went on my race pace without pushing too hard, I knew that everyone would have made at least one stop. After lap 40 I got back in the lead, my second stint was working very well. I saw that my advantage remains more or less 12-13 seconds, and I wait before coming back to the pits. The tires were still very good and I was almost thinking about going on without stopping again. The advantage rise up to 18 seconds and the backmarkers were probably played a fundamental role at this point. So I made the second stop. I went out ahead by 2 seconds. That's enough. P1. I was pushing to keep the advantage as much as possible until the end, marking the fastest lap in 1.23.4, then, when I finally looked the advantage was growing up,I relaxed myself thinking only of making no mistakes. I WON.
After the race I was certainly too excited but it was wonderful to receive so many congratulations in TS by all guys and be happy together. It was joyful moment for me. I am equally happy for the excellent result that my team-mate Tim Hille has achieved, it has been very nice and useful work together this weekend.
Technical info : I seem to have said in the broadcasting interview that my Ford V8 HB5 has a double advantage over the Honda V10: great low-medium revs torque and maximum power at the top (705bhp). My Jordan has already reached the final development step from Canada. The first 4 races I drove with the late 1990 HB4 engine(665bhp). There is also to mention that the Pirellis have certainly a much higher grip than the Goodyears on all compounds, and this favors a well balanced championship.
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Post by Kayo "Sideways" Michiels on May 9, 2020 19:12:53 GMT
Should have kept the Coloni: I'm 1.1 second faster with medium race tyres around Magny-Cours... than with the hard soft qualifying tyres on the Modena...
Bah...
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Post by David Jundt on May 9, 2020 20:13:10 GMT
I think nearly any car(Lotus, Footwork, AGS, Fondmetal) would be a better middle way, the Coloni just lacks power and is basically like 2 years old already. But yeah, as you made your one move, too bad
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