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Post by Bruno Chacon on Jul 25, 2021 20:35:24 GMT
Fun race besides a few scary moments. Started 20th despite qualifying in 19th. I tried to avoid all the carnage at the start and had to slam on the brakes to avoid Coxon rejoining, otherwise there would have been at least two more cars out at that point. I know you stopped in the chicane but you shouldn't have rejoined like that in front of 2/3 of the field. After that I moved up to 9th and kept Remmen, Chacon, and Ray behind for a few laps until being punted off in a careless move by Chacon for the second time this season. Surprisingly there was no damage and was able to finish without pitting. The rear tires were gone by the end. My apologies Jules, it wasn't on purpose. I was on the inside line and as I always made this turn, I had no intention of overtaking this turn, but suddenly you braked in the middle of the turn and I couldn't do anything, your left rear wheel met my right front wheel. |
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Post by Michael Drechsler on Jul 25, 2021 20:48:59 GMT
Phew, what a sunday, what a race...
...had a late shift weekend, so I had to pass up on qualifying. But not enough of that, the very moment I was getting ready to leave work, it knocks on the door, and there is an old lady in her frilly nightgown, asking for breakfast. 'Uhm, no ma'am, its 18.58, you had dinner an hour ago and now its bed time!" - "Don't tell me things!" Just when you thought you had a calm shift today... 
...ten minutes later, I had her convinced to lay down (and maybe the night medication starting to work) and rushed home, now its the night shift's problem  Made me a quick sandwich, mom calling, just when I was about to join the server. Gonna have to give her credit for having the right feeling for the wrong time. At least she didn't have much to tell tonight and was done with the end of the briefing. Got myself in a good rhythm, had an off or two that made me do a quick final setup change (3rd gear longer and raised RH tire pressure a little), and hey presto, I found myself on the grid. Why FFS am I putting that kind of stress to myself?
Maybe because the old Österreichring is just MY kind of track! I love it for its natural flow, its beautiful succession of curves and their progression with few hard braking points, which require a precise line but also allow me to really put the car on its limit all around and not just once in a while. Its kind of like an oval track, just with more elevation changes!
Start was pretty okay, a bit slow to begin with but running up the hill, I already gained 8 positions, mostly due to the big chaos all around. It hurt to see my team mate loosing his front wing in the first chicane. I soon had to give up two of them again, but I could soon get in a decent rhythm, even though competition forced me to crank up the boost quicker than initially planned. Where I had put everything but the kitchen sink on the car in Hungary, this time i had as little wings on the car as possible, leaving the car a bit hair-raising with full tanks, but once a third of the fuel was gone, the car became a real dream to drive, though I couldn't really make up time to Alan, Jules et al in front of me. I had a few scary moments that put me out of rhythm, scratched the barriers twice without causing damage - phew! - tried to stay out of trouble and the way of faster cars. I ran over the bits of Cezariusz' Zakspeed twice, until I got that in my head and was afraid to have punctured my tires, but I was lucky then, but the debris was right on my line and made that corner a somewhat awkward two-apex curve. I made a planned pit stop after 23 laps, already had gained a minute to the car behind me, but Minardi's pit crew really needs a better coffee machine. 22 seconds, again really? I made a quick calculation and realised I'm at least two laps good on fuel and added two more clicks of fuel. First it seemed I couldn't really shorten the gap to Alan, gained a few position due to other retirements, and suddenly, I was only five seconds behind him. At first, it seemed he would increase the gap again, but this time I had a good hand at being lapped and was soon within two seconds of him. Another two clicks on the boost dial, a good run out of the chicane, but I missed the right braking point on the inside line for Tiroch, so I ran wide, but the sprint down the Valvoline straight, I could simply blast past him. Now that's why I ran absolute minimum wings!  When I saw I could open up a decent gap, I turned boost down again, because at 310, it was revving a bit to high for my taste. I was over a minute behind the next car, so I couldn't really gain another position on my own. But then, another car had to stop, and I was in the top 10! Yay! That's like a podium for the slow end of the field, so I better bring that home! But it wasn't that easy. In retrospect, I should have gone back to symmetric tire pressures on my pit stop, because the car lost a bit the balance through LH corners, which had me once run really wide through Texaco, and another time when changing direction through the chicane. Gabriele spared me putting me another lap down on his final lap, so with just 3 laps down, I finished the race in 10th position and still had fuel for at least another two laps. Great! That was one race I really enjoyed, with a really good result for the car. Just the right motivation right before the summer break, way to move on!  |
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Post by Jules Bouchard on Jul 25, 2021 20:49:25 GMT
Started 20th despite qualifying in 19th. I tried to avoid all the carnage at the start and had to slam on the brakes to avoid Coxon rejoining, otherwise there would have been at least two more cars out at that point. I know you stopped in the chicane but you shouldn't have rejoined like that in front of 2/3 of the field. First, my bad about that. I apologise. Regarding your qualifying, we asked people to check. Nothing was pointed out so we cannot correct it. Yep, no worries about the qualifying as it wasn't worth it to point out. Didn't want to hassle you guys over 1 position. |
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Post by Bruno Pagiola on Jul 25, 2021 21:07:00 GMT
So about the race, I started with caution, and I lost position to Janik and Bos but passed clear by the trouble with Ligier. I cared to save fuel, but it was not easy at beggining laps that I needed downshift to avoid the understeer by full tank weight.
When Richard and Juha passed me I know that i haven't fuel to drive one more lap without lift the throttle. My hope was: 1st (Gabriele reaches them and lap them); 2nd They shutoff the engine before the finishline.
I note Juha very, very slow at Rindt and I expected pass again, but this 5th place was good. I'm happy by my 1st points, and I hope keep this performance after the summer vacations!
It was a great race for Brazilian Drivers! 5th, 6th and 7th. Santo and Amaral took finish too.
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Post by Juha Bos on Jul 25, 2021 21:37:00 GMT
When Richard and Juha passed me I know that i haven't fuel to drive one more lap without lift the throttle. My hope was: 1st (Gabriele reaches them and lap them); 2nd They shutoff the engine before the finishline. I note Juha very, very slow at Rindt and I expected pass again, but this 5th place was good. I'm happy by my 1st points, and I hope keep this performance after the summer vacations! By the time I reached Rindt, I had 0.1 left. I just revved it one last time to get some speed going downhill ,hoping it wouldn't stall so you could catch me, and finished with an empty tank.
I wasn't expecting to pick up 4th but I wanted to avoid being lapped just in case you ran out of fuel too, and it worked. It was a nice battle though.
Well done to Gabriele on the win, Janik for taking that Brabham to second and Wilks for showing again why he's leading the series.
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Post by Kayo "Sideways" Michiels on Jul 26, 2021 6:01:54 GMT
First lap pile up caused me to lose my front wing and right front suspension damage... Limped back to pits, new wing but damaged suspension made the car difficult to turn... Took a long time and being lapped twice untill i got a chance to overtake on my own... I did, but then the damage bit me and i spun, no damage taken... But i have to do the overtake... again... later by letting lapping cars by i went into the marbles and spun... again.. overtook... and later the next spun crashed me out... Great... -_-
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Post by David Jaques on Jul 26, 2021 6:41:43 GMT
grant, apologies are nice to hear, but what we really want is you to take it to heart and make the necessary adjustments. maybe dial it back a notch. thats the 2nd time this season... even if the curb wasn't there, were u really going to send it up the inside, making it 3 wide, into the tight chicane?
just a shame, we could have really fun races, long term battles, pace, strategy..... need to give each other space to make it to the finish. PS> huge thanks to gabrielle and congrats for such a fast pace!
I get that David. Again huge apologies. Genuinely feel gutted for you guys I ruined the race for :/ I wouldn’t exactly say I need to start showing change though. Yes, 2 major incidents so far after 12 rounds. Both of which by my mis judgment. No one on the grid is perfect but that’s making it sound like I’m a repeat offender every race. If I stacked it every 1 or 2 races like that then totally agree id need to reevaluate my approach, like I already have done with race tactics and fuel. If the curb wasn’t there I’m not sure how it would have played out but I wouldn’t of made contact with any of you I can assure you of that. Again, very sorry for my part. "No one on the grid is perfect but that’s making it sound like I’m a repeat offender every race. " -i'm sorry you interpreted it that way, nothing in what i said indicated "every race". actually, in black and white text i said "2nd time this season", and as you corroborated "Yes, 2 major incidents so far after 12 rounds.". so no need to bring up "every race" to straw man my position.
but the fact is, 2 out of 12 is too much. 2/12=16% if all 26 drivers on the grid had "major incidents" in 16% of races that would be an avg of 4-5 drivers per race having major incidents. jerez involved 2 cars, today involved 4, 5, 6? round down and say 3 cars per major incident. that would be 12-15 cars per race taken out per race. never mind the normal racing incidents, engine failures, discos. thats too many cars to have incidents in my opinion.
sure everyone makes mistakes, and we are dealing with a small sample set, so percentages will be less than perfect indicators. maybe the timing is coincidence. the part that troubles me the most is the end of your statement... "I’m not sure how it would have played out but I wouldn’t of made contact with any of you I can assure you of that". i really dont see how. my car and the car infront of me were to the right of the track. not even close to having room for a car to fit on the inside. you went full off track on the pit exit to look for a pass up the inside. if the curb wasn't there the grass certainly was. either you would have to count on me moving to let you in, you were going to force your way in, or you were going to overshoot turn 1 completely to avoid, they all seem like poor options. so how was it going to play out if the curb wasn't there?
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Post by Richard Coxon on Jul 26, 2021 7:19:03 GMT
Any issues use the protest form. If anyone wants to discuss differing opinions, take it to personal messages.
Thank you.
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Post by Grant Riddall on Jul 26, 2021 7:31:59 GMT
As Richard said. If you have a problem, which you quite clearly do due to your need to prove yourself right, then protest it David. Like I said, I am genuinely sorry, held my hands up, know I’ve done wrong and I’m fully expecting a penalty. However, the fact you have to go into such granular detail to prove this with statistics is for me, ridiculous. Everyone makes mistakes. It’s racing. It happens, and unless your in my driving seat at the time of the incident then I would keep your screenshots, and assumptions, well away from this.
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Post by David Jaques on Jul 26, 2021 8:08:04 GMT
i want to discus things so we hopefully have fewer incidents in the future. there is no name calling, no anger, none of the things that you are saying. stats are plain facts, screenshots are unbiased, i used them to support my position. i made NO assumptions as u claim. im happy if u have a different opinion, but try to support/explain it.
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Post by Grant Riddall on Jul 26, 2021 8:24:18 GMT
i want to discus things so we hopefully have fewer incidents in the future. there is no name calling, no anger, none of the things that you are saying. stats are plain facts, screenshots are unbiased, i used them to support my position. i made NO assumptions as u claim. im happy if u have a different opinion, but try to support/explain it. I did, my opinion as I said is I really F’d up. I have no explanation other than I made a mistake David. I will and have always always held my hands up when I do wrong. I do learn from it. But just because it happens again down the line doesn’t mean or give anyone the right to assume I haven’t. I mean come on, I’d of hope’d you’d know me by now to know that I don’t just think fuck it and do it again because I haven’t learn and tried to improve. thats what’s got to me most about your post. Can only apologise so much. Mistakes happen. And I’m genuinely sorry. |
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Jul 26, 2021 8:33:38 GMT
Would you both please continue this exchange via PM? Cluttering with your particular discussion the thread of a race where 26 people took part is not respectful towards the rest.
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Post by David Jaques on Jul 26, 2021 8:47:01 GMT
i want to discus things so we hopefully have fewer incidents in the future. there is no name calling, no anger, none of the things that you are saying. stats are plain facts, screenshots are unbiased, i used them to support my position. i made NO assumptions as u claim. im happy if u have a different opinion, but try to support/explain it. I did, my opinion as I said is I really F’d up. I have no explanation other than I made a mistake David. I will and have always always held my hands up when I do wrong. I do learn from it. But just because it happens again down the line doesn’t mean or give anyone the right to assume I haven’t. I mean come on, I’d of hope’d you’d know me by now to know that I don’t just think fuck it and do it again because I haven’t learn and tried to improve. thats what’s got to me most about your post. Can only apologise so much. Mistakes happen. And I’m genuinely sorry. apology accepted in the first post. from a personal standpoint. but why does that mean we can't discuss?
at the end of your post you had this "If the curb wasn’t there I’m not sure how it would have played out but I wouldn’t of made contact with any of you I can assure you of that." i dont see how this is possible, the positions the cars are in, the fact that you are OFF THE TRACK trying to make a pass. your statement indicates that without the curb it would be an ok move, and all im saying is no, even without the curb its not a good move. so in terms of future races, yes, this is kinda important to discuss.
but i guess i can't discuss things, can't use evidence, stats, math or screenshots. somehow we can't discuss separate issues. its not about "proving" something. you have yet to attempt any kind of response to the original question, 'you said not to worry it no contact if the curb wasn't there, and i asked for you to explain that, because i don't understand'. instead just defend and dodge with strawmans and things that were never said. its always easy to argue against something the other person didn't even say.
accusing me of things, of ways of thinking, i don't care. i give up. that damn curb though, ruined everything. attempting a pass off the track had nothing to do with it, no reason to discuss that point. i won't use the forums any more, no reason to communicate. so please don't feel compelled to reply to this with another apology and no attempt to address the question posed, i won't read it.
HAPPY SUMMER BREAK ALL
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Post by Alberto Ibanez on Jul 26, 2021 9:27:24 GMT
Arrrghhh
This thread is about people being able to tell the rest how their race went. The clarifications and discussion you both have raised is to be taken to the protest form, the admins and PMs so that the thread fullfills its purpose. We will study the issue and solve any doubts and make clarifications if needed, but not here please. Is it that much asking that you guys trust us and deal with it as we want?
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Post by Bruno Chacon on Jul 26, 2021 10:31:37 GMT
I was already expecting a big mess at the start, I was cautious and with that, I lost several positions, but at the end of the first lap I was already in my starting position(13).
The car was great but the engine breakdown in Hungary and a gear shift error that caused the engine revs to skyrocket caused me to avoid the rpm red band for the entire race.
I got a good cat-and-mouse contest with Ray in front and Rocha in the back, managing to undercut Ray at the pit stop, the mechanics worked well and got me back on track in 10 seconds!
When I got to sixth place, I saw that the difference that separated me from fifth place at the time Wilks was 58 seconds and I decided to just manage the distance for Luciano who was coming fast behind me.
It was a smooth race, most of the time alone, making no mistakes and ending up with the entire car without any damage.
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Post by François Remmen on Jul 26, 2021 10:43:40 GMT
Never had time for this, but still watched the replay, the first spin chasing Bouchard was my own fault just on the marbles, the second spin however was a floating spoiler that I ran into. This happened right in front of Gab's nose, luckily nothing happens Zakspeed clean up your mess!  so you see, the first reaction and feeling are miles apart lol, oh well I used to worry about this alot, don't bother now, just have fun racing with you bunch of idiots hahaha,
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Post by Anders Nilsson on Jul 26, 2021 11:25:59 GMT
Q:3rd super pleased with that Race : Disco straight off the bat. Gutted felt i had the car and the pace for a podium. Needed them points Grats to podium! Oustanding performence from Gabriele both in Q and race  . To all that saw the finnish line wd. Broadcast team  |
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Post by Brian Janik on Jul 26, 2021 14:29:42 GMT
Knew the Brabham had strong Race Pace at this track and was hoping for a big result But despite a massive 2nd place, I feel more lucky than good.  Didnt know from my starting spot what had happened to Anders and Tim, and after tip-toeing through the carnage at the chicane, I was baffled to see myself in 2nd on first lap. Honestly believed I could stay there on merit with the way the car felt BUT... Really annoyed at myself for an early dumb spin and some minor suspension damage that made the car a little tricky to drive. The car still had good pace, and others had problems of their own, which left me with a nice gap til the end as long as motor didnt blow. A missed shift with two to go left me worried, and I coasted as much as possible to the finish. Congrats to Luciano Rocha on his Brabham Debut! a nice 7th place! Had he had more time in the car, that was surely a double points finish for our skateboard  |
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Made me a quick sandwich, mom calling, just when I was about to join the server. Gonna have to give her credit for having the right feeling for the wrong time. At least she didn't have much to tell tonight and was done with the end of the briefing. Got myself in a good rhythm, had an off or two that made me do a quick final setup change (3rd gear longer and raised RH tire pressure a little), and hey presto, I found myself on the grid. Why FFS am I putting that kind of stress to myself?
When I saw I could open up a decent gap, I turned boost down again, because at 310, it was revving a bit to high for my taste. I was over a minute behind the next car, so I couldn't really gain another position on my own. But then, another car had to stop, and I was in the top 10! Yay! That's like a podium for the slow end of the field, so I better bring that home! But it wasn't that easy. In retrospect, I should have gone back to symmetric tire pressures on my pit stop, because the car lost a bit the balance through LH corners, which had me once run really wide through Texaco, and another time when changing direction through the chicane. Gabriele spared me putting me another lap down on his final lap, so with just 3 laps down, I finished the race in 10th position and still had fuel for at least another two laps. Great! That was one race I really enjoyed, with a really good result for the car. Just the right motivation right before the summer break, way to move on! 
. To all that saw the finnish line wd.
